Hi Richard,

Yes, the comment did come from me!

**No, what I notice is that it is impossible to set up a self consistent closed system of concepts which do not obey those particular laws. A rather surprising result.**

By these particular laws, I assume Dr. Stafford means his final equations. I would hope that Dr. Stafford will comfirm this assumption.

That depends on what you are referring to as my "final equations". Some of the equations are after certain specific approximations; but, barring that confusion, yes I will confirm your assumption.

I am quite sure you have what you think are good counter examples but I am also quite confident that you are in error. In fact, I will tell you exactly what error you are going to make: the system of concepts you are going to present is not going to be closed! Talk to Harv about that issue. It is just possible that he might comprehend what I am talking about.

If so, then I feel challenged to come up with a closed, self-consistent system of mathematical concepts that do not use all of his axioms, or use differenr ones.

In fact, your qualification of "concepts" above by the word "mathematical" already implies that your opening proposal is not a closed set of concepts.

If you do not understand my comment, you do not understand the statement you are trying to disprove.

Have fun -- Dick

• No concept about reality is part of a closed system - harvey1 - March 28, 2002 - 21:28 UTC
  • I would just like to be able to communicate with you! - doctordick - March 29, 2002 - 14:36 UTC
    • Round and round we go - harvey1 - March 29, 2002 - 15:22 UTC
      • I understand your criticism! - doctordick - March 29, 2002 - 16:19 UTC
    • True, but you must treat it as a tool - harvey1 - March 29, 2002 - 16:36 UTC
      • Trust your feelings Luke! - doctordick - April 1, 2002 - 17:42 UTC
  • I'm not following you - harvey1 - April 1, 2002 - 18:36 UTC
    • Come on, Harv... - aurino - April 1, 2002 - 18:50 UTC
      • Hmm? - harvey1 - April 1, 2002 - 20:45 UTC
        • Sorry - aurino - April 1, 2002 - 21:29 UTC
    • I thought I was being funny; sorry about that! - doctordick - April 1, 2002 - 20:18 UTC
• Didn't realize my feelings were in the way (nt) - harvey1 - April 1, 2002 - 20:45 UTC