Ref. http://www.astronomy.net/forums/god/messages/14858.shtml

Harv and I are having an interesting discussion on the properties of a god, assuming one exists. For my convenience, I want to continue it in a new string.

In the above post, Harvey claims that god sets boundary conditions and sets a few things that have to happen, but otherwise leaves us alone. He did mention the possiblility of response to prayer.

If god did act that way, then fairly often things would go wrong badly, and rather forceful intervention on god's part would be required, like the famous asteroid that wiped out the dinasaurs.

My experience, which is entirely subjective since it happened to me and is not repeatable, is that god or whatever is constantly meddling in our lives. So my opinion is that god is trying to make the world go a certain way, most likely to avoid the nuclear crisis as I've said many times before.

I conclude from my personal experience that god, or whatever it is that populates the supernatural is very far from omnipotent. It or they may posses omnificience (I cannot spell). They seem to be able to read human thought. But they cannot just make things happen. They or it seems to have to play by certain rules. And they make things happen via influence and coincidence.

So my opinion is that god or whatever is basically weak, particularly in comparison to the creator type god of christianity or the perfect god of islam.

Regards,

Richard

• A boundary condition isn't weak - harvey1 - January 28, 2002 - 17:55 UTC
  • Boundary conditions are very strong - yanniru - January 29, 2002 - 14:40 UTC
    • Well, that's a religious issue - harvey1 - January 29, 2002 - 14:58 UTC
      • Messengers - yanniru - January 29, 2002 - 22:03 UTC
        • I haven't heard them (nt) - harvey1 - January 29, 2002 - 22:14 UTC
          • Some do and many do not - yanniru - January 29, 2002 - 22:52 UTC
  • Weighing in - pmartin - January 29, 2002 - 18:00 UTC
    • Shouldn't we reduce Superman's workload - harvey1 - January 29, 2002 - 19:43 UTC
      • Just checking... - harvey1 - January 29, 2002 - 22:15 UTC
        • No Problem - pmartin - January 29, 2002 - 22:48 UTC
      • Thanks Paul - yanniru - January 29, 2002 - 22:26 UTC
        • You're welcome - pmartin - January 29, 2002 - 23:44 UTC
          • So much agreement - yanniru - January 30, 2002 - 16:01 UTC
            • ...so little disagreement - pmartin - January 30, 2002 - 19:45 UTC
              • My hypothesis comes from readings in eastern religions - yanniru - January 30, 2002 - 23:09 UTC
                • So you're a realist, are you? - pmartin - January 30, 2002 - 23:42 UTC
                  • Fields are not probabilities - yanniru - February 4, 2002 - 15:20 UTC
                    • Maybe I'm not really a dualist - pmartin - February 4, 2002 - 19:37 UTC
                      • Physical basis for your mind - yanniru - February 5, 2002 - 00:17 UTC
                        • Fine tuning our guesswork - pmartin - February 5, 2002 - 16:50 UTC
                • fi'teen hunnit yer ol' Eas'n book sez - something - January 31, 2002 - 06:53 UTC
                  • If you find universal equations, you can't credit Aryans or Jews - something - January 31, 2002 - 23:15 UTC
                  • Reference or link please(nt) - yanniru - February 4, 2002 - 15:22 UTC
                    • Reference or link please(nt)? - something - February 4, 2002 - 20:53 UTC
                      • Do not have one - yanniru - February 5, 2002 - 00:18 UTC
                        • For the record...for what it implies about your credibility - something - February 5, 2002 - 04:31 UTC
                          • My server must have a trash filter(nt) - yanniru - February 5, 2002 - 15:08 UTC
                            • Some conversation we're having - quiet - February 6, 2002 - 04:52 UTC
                        • Tag was stripped again.... - something - February 5, 2002 - 04:33 UTC
                          • Go away, myself - quiet - February 5, 2002 - 08:04 UTC
      • No, he's got a big job to do. - pmartin - January 30, 2002 - 00:52 UTC
        • These are special imported herbs and spices - harvey1 - January 30, 2002 - 16:49 UTC
          • Sounds like a tasty dish - pmartin - January 30, 2002 - 18:19 UTC
            • Not half as tasty as the path integral - harvey1 - January 30, 2002 - 20:50 UTC
              • I have never encountered a tasty integral - pmartin - January 30, 2002 - 23:28 UTC
                • Hmm... - harvey1 - January 31, 2002 - 00:07 UTC
                  • God's will and his putative perfection - pmartin - January 31, 2002 - 18:03 UTC
                    • generate free-choice "rational" system of frmiracle-working - something - January 31, 2002 - 18:51 UTC
                    • IF THEN (that should have read) - something - January 31, 2002 - 18:52 UTC
                      • Theology and enactment - pmartin - January 31, 2002 - 21:32 UTC
                        • Yay! so Constitutional Protections for Gentle Unconventionality - something - February 1, 2002 - 01:16 UTC
                    • More on boundary conditions - harvey1 - January 31, 2002 - 22:35 UTC