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Posted by Harvey on January 27, 2002 17:43:28 UTC

Alex,

***Harvey, I can not respect much a person who says that death of children is God's plan (either via Evel as a part of "higher plan" or as directly punished by God because they did not do homework).***

I'm sorry about that, but I think it is brute fact that some things are a result of the 'way things are'. In my view, God is a holy principle in the world and that principle is to bring ultimate simplicity and unification from complexity and diversity (which started out simple and unified from this one principle). I don't think God is a human who arbitrarily decides whether he should allow this or interfere here. Rather, I think God is simply that which allows all that will not interfere in this plan for simplicity and unification.

It is a horrible fact that evil happens to children and adults. I feel struck by the pain that so many people feel. At the same time, I believe that this divine order is working in the world, and that Heaven awaits. It doesn't take away from the suffering that so many have experienced, but I believe that this suffering will be forgotten once God's plan for the universe is achieved. I suppose that evil is simply an outcome of naturalism, and that naturalism is an outcome of mathematical minimums being exemplified in the cosmos. Yet, in this process something good will result.

***I am more inclined to explain earthquake as a crack at the moment when rising stress in rock exceeds Young's modulus. (Is not that obvious for you guys? Where is "hand of God" here?)***

Well, I think that earthquakes follow a mathematical pattern that is ultimately tied into other events that are happening on earth. The world moves from stability to crisis, and crisis somehow is used to produce a new higher order. This is the natural way. I personally think it is why there is a universe, it is why there is life, it is why there is intelligence, and ultimately it is why homo sapiens are on the earth. Complex systems behave according to a mathematical pattern, but this is all tied into something even bigger. This 'bigger' phenomena is the teleological direction of the universe which conforms to the simplicity and unification that I think God is seeking in the universe.

***And even if I was a believer, I would say that punishing children is immoral and God is making HUGE mistake doing this (allowing it happen). (Basicly it means that God simply CAN NOT prevent earthquakes and death of innocents. Which means that He is extremely weak if existent.)***

I think God can prevent the punishing of children and can prevent earthquakes, but only when doing so does not interfere with the naturalism that must exist in the universe. If naturalism is not allowed, then the universe violates mathematical principles of conservation and symmetry, something which it just is not allowed to do and still be a consistent (i.e., coherent) universe with the underlying divine order.

***So, I'd rather stick with science to explain eartquakes and to reduce their damaging result (modelling them mathematically and building mathematically pre-calculated network of early warning system based on location of most frequent crackings, speed of waves, location of densely populated areas, etc).***

That's fine. But, as you are sticking to science the world is evolving according to a divine plan. Something that our agreement or disagreement cannot change.

***Allowing to kill innocents is "higher plan of allmighty God", huh?***

If the timeline is complete then these events already 'happened', that is these events exist as part of the space-time fabric of events. They simply 'exist' and are necessitated because order exists and this is a consequence of it. It is not God's choice, it just simply 'is'. I believe God is working to make this a world that will find rest for those who suffered and that every tear will be taken away.

Warm regards, Harv

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