I do not accept anything without proof. I need a proof that it (God) indeed moves planets (or electrons) and DO NOT SEE any.

Instead, math tells that planets move by constantly falling on gravitating centers - and INDEED math CORRECTLY predicts every detail of such planetary motion just from Newtonian inverse square law (= exchange by virtual gravitons in symmetric 3D space results mathematically in inverse square).

Seeing LACK of explanation and LACK of any prediction from statement "God does it" vesrus CORRECT prediction and logical explanation from math, I conclude that math is much more useful than God(s). It simply works. God does not.

Also, bringing god(s) to the scene makes total mess instead of coherent picture of universe. Now you have to explain HOW god moves planets (or electrons) at once in all the vast universe, breaking all naturall laws and all speed, power and energy limits.

Also, talking to many believers I found that they 1) simply do not know physics/math
2) do not know what they mean by God(s)
3) have no evidence of any act(s)of god(s)
4) ignore important facts about universe and natural laws.

I think, this explains WHY I prefer to rely on math more than on gods.

• Acknowledge Godel's Theorem, or remain a theist! - luis_hamburgh - January 21, 2002 - 17:39 UTC
  • Luis, looks like you are unaware og Goedel theorem. - alexander - January 21, 2002 - 18:00 UTC
    • Penrose on Godel - yanniru - January 22, 2002 - 15:59 UTC
      • Where is it? - harvey1 - January 22, 2002 - 21:33 UTC
        • Penrose's interpretation - yanniru - January 23, 2002 - 15:34 UTC
          • The first paragraph of Godel's paper - yanniru - January 25, 2002 - 00:37 UTC
            • Must be careful - harvey1 - January 25, 2002 - 02:12 UTC
              • something different than being derived - yanniru - January 25, 2002 - 15:05 UTC
                • Don't rely on me - harvey1 - January 25, 2002 - 16:24 UTC
    • Alex, how is you know Godel better than him? - luis_hamburgh - January 28, 2002 - 01:29 UTC