Hi Harv,

>>>Can you acknowledge that whether we take the axiomatic approach to math, or an intuitive and more informal approach that either way we start with some kind of belief about what lines are and work with those notions? >I have no problem leaving lines (or whatever other primitive) as undefined>just as we acknowledge that whatever we hold as an undefined primitive is a belief and not yet logical fact.>>To be quite frank I think the internal process of perception is much more complicated and something that I do not understand.they are simply perceptual facts if enough of us in our communication with each other agree that we are indeed all experiencing the same perception.>>I really want to know where Dick stands on the issue of how scientific observables are reducible to everyday observables.

• a sentences in philosophy should be equations--every word strong - spazcon - December 27, 2001 - 01:14 UTC
• Sense impressions, beliefs, formal systems, then conceptualize - harvey1 - December 27, 2001 - 03:44 UTC
  • Oops - harvey1 - December 27, 2001 - 03:50 UTC
  • Science, philosophy, or math? - pmartin - December 27, 2001 - 20:08 UTC
    • What do you mean by undefined? - harvey1 - December 27, 2001 - 23:21 UTC
      • I mean "utterly devoid of meaning" - pmartin - December 28, 2001 - 17:16 UTC
        • Then please explain about Cantor set theory website - carefuluniverse - December 28, 2001 - 18:56 UTC
          • What is it you would like explained? - pmartin - December 28, 2001 - 20:59 UTC
            • Re: your kind offer -- @ 500 words: math/sci in forming future - quiet - December 30, 2001 - 21:58 UTC
              • My opinions: - pmartin - December 31, 2001 - 04:40 UTC
                • when telling the truth, leave elegance to Taylor - quiet - December 31, 2001 - 06:58 UTC
        • Hilbert's axioms - harvey1 - December 28, 2001 - 21:00 UTC
          • The Time Has Come to Capitulate - pmartin - December 30, 2001 - 19:51 UTC
            • Thanks, Paul - harvey1 - December 30, 2001 - 23:13 UTC
              • polite skepticism about discounting math's distinguished tools - quiet - December 30, 2001 - 23:55 UTC
                • 'except' credentialism - quiet - December 30, 2001 - 23:57 UTC
                • That means in regards to our understanding the world - harvey1 - December 31, 2001 - 00:53 UTC
                  • Correction - harvey1 - December 31, 2001 - 00:56 UTC
                • That means in regards to our understanding the world - harvey1 - December 31, 2001 - 00:56 UTC
                  • bits, bytes, bards, & bouts with bullies - quiet - December 31, 2001 - 01:32 UTC
              • You're welcome, Harv - pmartin - December 31, 2001 - 04:57 UTC
    • reverie about travel at c^3 - spazcon - December 28, 2001 - 03:39 UTC
    • self reference that fine math and we're going places ! - carefuluniverse - December 28, 2001 - 19:18 UTC