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Re: BZRD, You Keep Mentioning The 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics

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Posted by bzrd on October 16, 1999 18:07:03 UTC

: Hello all.

: My physics is rather, how you say... ah yes... bad.

: Doesn't the 2nd law of thermodynamics say something about the rise in entropy with every chemical reaction that takes place or something? This means that in any spontaneous rxn, energy is lost and an increase in randomness results. : Bzrd, : I've read some of your posts, and you keep mentioning how this law is detrimental somehow, and that it's actually a curse put before us from God. But doesn't the universe need this law to function? : You also mention something about no new information being added in a mutation (we're de-evolving), which is evidence of a divine being. You also cited the increase in cancer and disease to support your claim.

: It don't think your conclusion follows. As I've said before, the rise in cancer is not a result of "de-evolution" as you put it, but more attributable to 2 other things (at the very least): : 1) modern medicine: This allows us to live long after the age of reproduction. For example, insulin treatment has seen to it that people with diabetes no longer die at early ages, they live long enough to reproduce, passing on their maladities to their children. Hence a rise in such afflictions would be expected to increase over time. : 2) envirnomental pollution: all the toxic waste large corporations are dumping on to the earth, high automobile use, etc. has suceeded in gradually making the earth a decrepit dung heap (no wait, bad analogy. Dung actually acts as a fertilizer). It's no wonder an increase in such disease is found. And might I add, these two factors are directly correlated. For instance, areas where high levels of human sewage (contaning female hormones from urination, or whatever) are dumped into lakes where fish live, there is seen to be a startling rise in hermaphrodite fish. But fish living in clean lakes find no such effects. That's just one example.

: If humans are suffering from more diseases, that's our own fault. Don't blame the 2nd law of thermodynamics. : Furthermore, if life were de-evolving, and given the earth is rather... how you say... old. Then everything should have de-evolved to the level of bacteria by now.

bzrd here: The Second Law is definetly part of the universe. I'm not sure it is required for it's existence, however, it wouldn't matter because in my veiw it did not exist prior to the "fall from grace" by Adam. As for environmental factors contributing to disease, (though pollution of the environment can be considered a form of entropy) I could'nt agree more. However, the presence of carcinogens (for ex.) cannot be said to be the lone factor in disease, for if I'm correct, they would only serve to exacerbate the effects of dis-information on the human phenotype. Finally, you can say we would de-evolve to bacteria only if one assumes that we evolved from bacteria, there is no evidence to support this. I would say, if life is de-evolving, how can the earth be that old? You guys need to learn to ask the right questions:)

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