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Posted by Beelzebub X on October 10, 1999 21:08:24 UTC

: : Is there anybody who can give me an argument for the existence of a deity, which I can not disprove easily?

: Bzrd here: Good question. In a word, the answer would be no. However, I would say, your question aptly defines the basis for the argument. In the Bible, God is described as the supreme being, He was here before the universe; hence, He is transcendant and, by definition, outside our sphere of reality, if you will. Given this, it is not suprising that His presence cannot be detected by our meager senses. This leaves inference, as the only available tool left for us to predict the presence of a Creator. In science, inference is used as the basis for aknowledging the presence of natural selection; no one has ever "seen" natural selection, yet, it has been a universely accepted term for describing the effect of environmental pressures on a species over time. Thus, evidence for God, can be given only through inference; for example, science is profoundly inadaquet in its ability to elucidate a viable mechanism for the origin of life from inert matter, one can easily argue it is not even possible. God either exists or He does't. The fact that He exists outside our "realm" (for lack of a better term) and thus, prevents us from intelligently discussing the probabilities involved, so, we are forced to assume a probability of 50/50. God wins....

Beelzebub: First: To make inferences about something what it beyond our "meager" senses is idiotic, because the result is always nothing!

Second: The natural selection is a logical inferences about something what is into our "reach". So it's even more than a simplen speculation (except there would be a divine disruption, of course)!

Third: You said, he could exist outside our "realm". Then there is no room for speculations...and the probability that he exist (in our relam, which is the only one) is ZERO! He would only begin to exist (for us) when he would manifest himself. But that has never he does not the result is again: NOTHING! God id dead...

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