and how to mathematically interchange the two...

>>>Take two symmetric observers (John and Bob) moving by each other with v=0.866c. Who's time flow was "slowed down"?>And how does Lorents transforms imply time travel?

• Johns clocks relative to Bob's and vice versa. - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 17:20 UTC
  • Neither and both... - smartguy - November 5, 2001 - 19:23 UTC
    • Now you see that it is a logic of symmetry. - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 19:41 UTC
      • Alex, i would never challenge you on that point... - smartguy - November 5, 2001 - 20:35 UTC
        • When you say "I can influence.." you mean "conservation laws can - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 21:35 UTC
          • Alex, either I have free-will or I don't... - smartguy - November 5, 2001 - 22:03 UTC
            • I don't like such mechanisms - harvey1 - November 5, 2001 - 22:15 UTC
              • Harv... - smartguy - November 5, 2001 - 22:49 UTC
                • I see... - harvey1 - November 5, 2001 - 23:16 UTC
                • Also, don't be an agnostic or atheist - harvey1 - November 5, 2001 - 23:25 UTC
                  • Ooh, I gotta be intrusive here... - luis_hamburgh - November 5, 2001 - 23:30 UTC
                    • Yes, Luis is right - it is different (god and electron). - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 00:22 UTC
                      • Luis and Alex just agreed on something!! - smartguy - November 6, 2001 - 00:29 UTC
                      • Is measurement enough? - harvey1 - November 6, 2001 - 03:58 UTC
                        • What? Existence of uninteracting with world entity obvious? - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 17:06 UTC
                      • Clarifying the term 'obvious' - harvey1 - November 6, 2001 - 19:08 UTC
                        • Not correct. For many Adam, resurrection, miracles are OBVIOUS. - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 19:33 UTC
                      • Don't blow a gasket - harvey1 - November 6, 2001 - 20:04 UTC
                        • God is simply not needed. Everything goes by itself. - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 23:54 UTC
                          • "Goes-by-itself" ness is what existing means - dolphin - November 7, 2001 - 07:25 UTC
                      • If so, then - harvey1 - November 7, 2001 - 02:59 UTC
                    • Without foundationalism - harvey1 - November 6, 2001 - 03:49 UTC
      • Is one's distance from the earth's core related to aging? - jisbond - November 6, 2001 - 15:31 UTC
    • They can't both be correct... - bruce - November 5, 2001 - 21:33 UTC
      • I suggest even more simple experiment, without any warp. - alexander - November 5, 2001 - 21:57 UTC
        • However it just goes to show... - smartguy - November 5, 2001 - 22:14 UTC
          • Where the popular notion that... - bruce - November 5, 2001 - 22:56 UTC
            • Bruce, I have been waiting for you to do that... - smartguy - November 6, 2001 - 00:32 UTC
              • I was hopeful that you... - bruce - November 6, 2001 - 02:07 UTC
            • Actually...I made a mistake.. - bruce - November 6, 2001 - 05:02 UTC
          • Where the popular notion that... - bruce - November 5, 2001 - 23:06 UTC
        • Alex - bruce - November 5, 2001 - 22:34 UTC
        • Dimensions vs Coordinates - luis_hamburgh - November 5, 2001 - 23:26 UTC
          • So, Mark and Luis, how do I go back in time then? - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 00:36 UTC
            • I never said you could... - smartguy - November 6, 2001 - 01:01 UTC
              • Is not Mach principle dead yet? - alexander - November 6, 2001 - 02:12 UTC