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Posted by S.H. Le on October 6, 1999 19:53:43 UTC

: Greg: : You are giving environmental, social, and genetic makeup too much credit and mankind's ability to deal with them too little credit. These things may influence our Free-Will, but they do not deprive us of it. All the plausible choices in any given situation simply exist, and while the factors that you speak of may undoubtably influence the choices we make, it is still available to us to make those choices of our own Free-Will. Social interactions themselves are based upon previous Free-Will choices that we have made. We make friends, with whomever is willing, of their own Free-Will, to make friends with us. This ultimately develops into an environment of clique and outcast. While involvement in either environment may persist throughout ones developmental years, the nature of the influence of such an environment is unlikely to persist for very long in the environment of adulthood. The arrogance of those in the clique is usually humbled by their inexperience in the workplace, while feelings of inadequacy common to the outcast are replaced with renewed confidence as they develop new skills. Much of this is a prelude to the choice one makes in finding a mate. If you have ANY experience in this area, you have noticed that women are not necessarily impelled to consider any man for any particular reason, though they may consider any man for every particular reason. The Captain of the Football team seldom actually marries a cheerleader, and the Queen of the Prom might actually marry the biggest geek in town. That, my friend, is Free-Will. :o)

I fear we both have exhausted all our arguments on this topic. Anything I say further concerning this topic would be little more than a rehash of things already said. I see humans as a higher evolved animal, that just like animals, follows a predictable behavioral pattern. I see no reason to believe that God would endow free will unto us. This is deep-rooted in the fact that I'm an atheist, and that is my bias. Being atheist inevitably seeps into every other corner of my mind, and into all arguments I devise. You too, being a theist, would naturally see free will in humans. I sorry to say, I give up on this topic for now unless I find new arguments later. Until then, let's agree to disagree. We have no choice (but you'd disagree with that).

P.S. We'll drink to it.

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