a tactic of yours, to make me feel inferior and like I don't know what I'm saying is true? This is one of many occasions where I keep telling you that I'm not speaking of proper frames!! I'm speaking of the observers frame by which everything else is relative. IN THAT FRAME, TIME DIALATES FOR ANY OBJECT IN MOTION AS MEASURED BY THIS OBSERVER! Boy I wish Einstein were alive to get this through your thick head... either that or you could convince him that he's stupid and you're right... as you try to do me.