Back to Home

God & Science Forum Message

Forums: Atm · Astrophotography · Blackholes · Blackholes2 · CCD · Celestron · Domes · Education
Eyepieces · Meade · Misc. · God and Science · SETI · Software · UFO · XEphem
RSS Button

Home | Discussion Forums | God and Science | Post
Login

Be the first pioneers to continue the Astronomy Discussions at our new Astronomy meeting place...
The Space and Astronomy Agora
Re: The Gift Of Free-Will

Forum List | Follow Ups | Post Message | Back to Thread Topics | In Response To
Posted by Phil.o.sofir on October 6, 1999 04:53:26 UTC

: God Sanctifies the Soul of Self-Awareness, as Awareness in its own right, through the Gift of Free-Will. By doing this, He grants Mankind the Grace to initiate error, which we can then Learn from. All the other beasts of the field abide by instinct, which is God's Will for them. Only Mankind is Free to determine for themselves, the course their Future will take. It has been suggested that the choices Mankind makes abides by circumstances beyond his control, his genes, and his environment. Pistol Pete was under six foot, yet he played professional basketball. His genes didn't make that decision for him, his Heart did. Mankind has a permenant settlement in Antartica. It's -70 degrees below zero there. Men don't go there because the environment suits them. Men only go there of their own Free-Will, because they desire to Learn. It is the same way with Outer Space. Not all men who want to go into Space are eligible, and not all men who are eligible want to go, but all men who are eligible to go, go because they want to go, they go of their own Free-Will. God doesn't make them go, Mankind doesn't make them go, their environment doesn't make them go, and their genes don't make them go. They go simply because they want to go, and they make themselves available to the opportunity to go. Free-Will. Period. You go, alone, into an ice cream shop that has 29 flavors. You like vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, and butternut peacan. You've never had rocky rhode, or tuitti-fruitti, yet you choose tuitti-fruitti. Why? Because you have Free-Will. Not because your genes or your environment tell you will like it, not because you are curious because you've never had it, you've never had rocky rhode either, yet you choose tuitti-fruitti. Why? Because you have Free-Will. Period.

: The Understanding of Free-Will is very important. : Everything ThroughouT the Universe that is outside of the influence of the Free-Will of Self-Awareness is Predetermined by the Laws of Physics, which are incontrovertible. Through Evolution, this world IS Perfect for us. Nowhere else in the entire universe will ever be more so. Lessen the atmospheric pressure by 30,000 ft. and oxygen becomes too rare to breathe. Increase the atmospheric pressure by one atmosphere, and pure oxygen becomes poisonious. We can abide in harmony with most every life form on the planet other then some micro-organisms, and some can even abide those. Only the Polar Bear will actually hunt man for food, and he hunts anything that moves. Through Evolution, this IS Our Garden of Eden.

: Of our own Free-Will, through the inappropriate application of our Knowledge, we are destroying the Garden of Eden. We are polluting the waters that we must drink and the very air that we must breathe. We put a new species of Life on the Endangered Species List Everyday. We are burning down the Amazon Rain Forest, the primary source of our global oxygen supply.

: We are bringing upon ourselves, our own extinction, our expulsion from the Garden of Eden, of our own Free-Will, because we took a bite of the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. If we had remained primative, the world would have continued to provide us with our every need. It's foolish to suggest that our environment or our genes did this to us. It's foolish to suggest that God would give us the Garden of Eden, and Knowledge from which we can derive so much benefit, only so that we might destroy ourselves. We have Free-Will. We can Learn from the error of our ways. Will We?

: The Choice IS Ours.

***Mosquitos hunt us for food. If it is so easy for the world to become imperfect,(of miilibar of pressure) then how do you call this world perfect. I guess the only perfect part is the range between just above sea level (with few exceptions) to say 16km above sea level, this hardly comprises the world, so it is a currently semi-perfect biosphere, not whole world. It is foolish to think god would withhold the tree knowledge from his image of himself to begin with, you know how vain he is! Furthermore, how could we have the free will to chose to/not to eat the fruit if the fruit contained the knowledge we needed to make that choice? So that would leave us as a creation that has learned its acceptable behavior but force? My dog does not rebel against me because he knows I am more powerful, so how could we have done so if we had limited knowledge?

Follow Ups:

Login to Post
Additional Information
Google
 
Web www.astronomy.net
DayNightLine
About Astronomy Net | Advertise on Astronomy Net | Contact & Comments | Privacy Policy
Unless otherwise specified, web site content Copyright 1994-2020 John Huggins All Rights Reserved
Forum posts are Copyright their authors as specified in the heading above the post.
"dbHTML," "AstroGuide," "ASTRONOMY.NET" & "VA.NET"
are trademarks of John Huggins