:Glad to see that I'm not so despised as I thought. Thanx man. I still disagree, but due to the fact that I just broke my arm the other day, typing has become a tedious chore. OOOWWW Craaaaaaap! Sorry.

You still seem to be assuming that everything has a purpose, which isn't a good approach because that seems to be the premise that you're trying to convince me of. Sure an exploding star is somewhat ordered, but does order presuppose purpose by an allpowerful being? Furthermore, life does not strive for a more improved view. That just seems to be a happy side effect. All animals are trying simply to survive and pass on their genes. That's life's ONLY goal. Even we humans have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge only because evolutionary wise, of all the early humans, only those that had that need to understand more about their frightening environment, became better hunters and survived. We are descendence of these Hanna Barbara pioneers. Hence I still insist, the universe is not perfectly ordered, and even if it was isn't suggestive of a God. And even from that premise (universe is ordered), it certainly doesn't follow that there's an all powerful and all loving being out there that constantly intervenes in our lives.

Any oh yes, I agree we are slime balls. Did I say risen apes? What the heck was I thinking! 'Till later Grego! Love to hear from you.

• Re: My tenacious Friend - Greg_Armel/">Greg Armel - October 3, 1999 - 00:28 UTC
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