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Posted by Richard Ruquist on September 29, 2004 15:52:00 UTC

How does the physical constants of each universe 'communicate' with the mathematical laws thereby determine the physical laws for that particular universe? I think communicate is a proper word since 'communication' is defined as passing information such that a message is understood from the sender to the receiver. In the case of the physical constants, how does the math 'know' to set-up a certain kind of universe based on those constants?

****By means of the physical process that gives birth of the new universe from the old. Smolin and the Bagavatam both suggest thst this happens in supermassive black holes. The Hottehtot's have the same belief, if you interpret the basket of light as a black hole. So the laws remain the same but the constants undergo minor variations as in the inflationary cosmology of Andre Linde which also predicts a multiplude of universes, the constants of which depending on the inflationary process..***.

The answer, which you might agree, is that there is a certain 'is-ness' factor to math. That is, if constants are this, then the laws are automatically that. The communication is instantaneous and nothing actually travels through space. Rather, physical laws just 'are' based on those constants and how the math requires the laws to be based on those constants.

***I suspect that the constants of math are eternal. But that is just a gut feeling, or does it come from my heart; and that the laws are eternal, at least in the same stream of universes. But since the multiverse is perhaps infinite, they may be a gradual variation of laws on even constants of math***

Similarly, we as 'constants' have instantaneous communication with God based on the intricracies of God's mind based on our own constant values. If we change our constant value by the act of prayer and attitude to God, then God changes his relationship to us. So, prayer is possible to an Eternal God who has no experience of time.

***This is what I mean by semantics. You are taking the analogy literally, taking your hypothesis that constants and laws communicate instantly as literally true for physics and for God; whereas physics suggest that the communication of the values of constants from one niverse to another is a physical birthing process. I cannot say you are wrong. But in my gut and my heart, I find the physics argument much more appealing. Another word for time is change. So if god has no experience of time then god cannot change (admittedly a semantic argument), then the Eternal God is static, like perhaps the eternal constants of math. Therefore prayer cannot change god, or communicate with god, except the god of this universe and this spacetime.

But I suspect your beliefs come from your heart just as mine do. We just have different paths, each correct for each of us..


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