ok i guess it can be ok to recomment these scopes to people that cost over 200 and all most people got the money for that now days... but i`m poor when your talking about those scopes like that thats like telling me about my high end dream scope i hope to have some day for my ds scope i didn`t just pull 350 dollars out of my butt its something i have been saving up for anyway most people that buy the ds scopes will probably end up not using them.... now that i think about it i think i would have rether got a scope on a GEM mount but it works just fine for me and my needs though for now anyway - edk