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 Be the first pioneers to continue the Astronomy Discussions at our new Astronomy meeting place...The Space and Astronomy Agora Re: A Creation Scenario Forum List | Follow Ups | Post Message | Back to Thread Topics | In Response ToPosted by nåte on January 25, 1999 01:39:08 UTC

: Please tell me what you think about this. I know it : seems like meaningless use of math but I like to think : it has some possibility of being true.

: : You start with a universe which contains nothing. No : matter or energy or even dimensions. The size of the : universe can't be calculated because there's nothing : in it to relate to. You could argue the size of it is : zero because it contains nothing, or maybe you could : say it's size is infinite because it's undefined. The : best answer would probably be that it's silly to try : and calculate the size of this hypothetical universe.

: Lets say for this argument that the size is infinite.

: So were left with an infinite amount of nothing, or in : math terms : (1/0) * (0/1)

: Reducing that we get 0/0 (zero over zero) which is a : strange number. To me 0/0 is another numerical way : of representing a dimension as it seems to represent : all real numbers simultaneously.

: From this number crunching it seems that a dimension : has been created out of nothing. If not a dimension : then maybe a random value?

: Please tell me what you think about this, I know some : of the conclusions I've made are very flimsy but I'd : just like to see thoughts about it thanks.

Sounds interresting, but I would have some major qualifications with some of the assumptions made.

First off, you stated:

"You could argue the size of it is zero because it contains nothing, or maybe you could say it's size is infinite because it's undefined..."

If you suggest that undefinition is infinite, I would have big problems with this. Infinitism requires the existence of something. Void, by definition is a dimensionless point; like that of a singularity.

I cant fathom the mathmatical solution of an undefined state synonomous with that of infinite void. This is a paradox.

Be carefull in presupposing that void is in some way just empty space. If this were true, what do we identify beyond the border of our expanding universe?

-nåte

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