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Black Holes And RedShift

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Posted by Brooks on October 3, 2007 12:58:57 UTC

I am currnetly working on a theory that the reason all very distant objects that we use Hubble's Law and Constant to determine velocity and distance have extreme red-shifted spectra is not because the universe is expanding but because objects like Quasars and Supernovae have a real possibility to possess a black hole or other extremely dense object that I believe is red-shifting the electromagnetic radiation. Local galaxies do not require advanced methods for observation. Most of them can be seen as is in the visible light part of the spectrum. Distant objects require special circumstances to exist if we are to observe them. High energy or luminosity from the source is a mandatory requirement to effectively observe very distant objects. Two sources of extreme energy include Quasars and Type Ia supernovae. Both are very luminous at specific frequencies and can be seen for billions of light years. Why are these objects so luminous? Do they share anything in common that would lead help us understand what we observe? The facts on quasars are that they appear to be visibly small but tremendously energetic with the luminosity of 100 to 1000 galaxies. They often have polar gas jets streaming away from them extending hundreds of light years from the Quasar itself. They appear to be receding at tens of thousands of kilometers per second which according to Hubble’s Law means that they are very far away. Why couldn’t a closer Quasar travel through space at tremendous speed? Is there anything about a Quasar that might cause an apparent red-shift without the need for recessive motion? It is thought that a super massive black hole might be the source of a Quasars power. It is also believed that a Quasar may be the birth of a new galaxy. After burning up the local fuel surrounding it during its highly luminous years, an older Quasar simply attracts, via its tremendous gravity, all the matter that develops into and ordinary galaxy. The nearest Quasar is about 700 million light years away so that would mean that the latest galactic birth that we know about was taking place 700 million years ago. Perhaps by now there is actually a young galaxy there. Pass out the cigars! I have often pondered the thought of the universe being able to reproduce as everything else in nature does. Perhaps black holes really are the reproductive means of the universe.Could the black hole of a Quasar red-shift the electromagnetic energy trying to escape it? Try to imagine you and a stronger friend holding an unbreakable rubber band. Moving slowly apart from each other you see the rubber band elongate as it is stretched. This continues until the grip of your stronger friend overcomes your ability to hold onto the rubber band. Eventually you have to let go and the rubber band contracts and disappears into the closed hand of your friend. Perhaps black holes treat electromagnetic energy the same way. Their tremendous gravity elongating spectral emission lines until they reach the event horizon and disappear from our view. The only emissions we can see from Quasars occur prior to the event horizon when tremendous forces have elongated the spectra while enormous amounts of energy are released prior to the event horizon. No one really knows enough about Quasars and black holes to say for sure but ask yourself this: Why would all the Quasars in the universe be moving away from the Milky Way? Is the Milky Way the center of the universe? Would a galaxy near the Quasar be able to break Hubble’s Law and not see recession? Why do the jets of a Quasar appear neatly streaming from the center and not strewn across space as they would be if the Quasar were traveling at tens of thousands of kilometers per second?Now let’s take a look at Type Ia Supernovae. Type Ia Supernovae occur when a small white dwarf steals enough material from a binary red giant companion. When it accumulates enough matter to exceed 1.4 solar masses, the white dwarfs starts to collapse and its core violently bursts into fusion. The energy is enough to cause the star to blow apart and can be seen from billions of light-years away. The common link between supernovae and Quasars is the possibility, depending on the mass of the exploding star, of a black hole being produced. Type Ia supernovae usually result in white dwarf only which is so dense and gravitationally strong that its red giant companion gets sucked into it until it no longer exists. So with a type Ia supernovae we have matter and energy from a RED giant being drawn into a super dense WHITE dwarf. When we gather this mixture of electromagnetic energy we somehow find a red-shift which we apply Hubble’s Law to and determine its distance and rate of recession. How we can determine what the spectral lines of a binary star system 5 billion miles away are supposed to be is at best a wild guess. With the forces involved, both electromagnetic and gravitational, there is no way one could accurately determine the actual red-shift, distance and recession of a Type Ia supernovae. Again with the existence of a super dense object associated with Type Ia supernovae, one cannot rule out the possibility of gravity influencing the apparent red-shift of the observed electromagnetic energy. Tell me what you think.

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