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Posted by Harvey on September 11, 2001 03:29:28 UTC

Hi Alex,

>>>Harv:"1) Something material exists for no reasons which we call 'stuff'." Alex: Existense A) does NOT require object to be material. It can be a rule, for example, or a space, or an energy level.>>Nor humans/aliens are required to label 1/0 existing/nonexisting objects, or describe their properties. As soon as any object exists, by its own existence it is in "1" state versus "0" state if it does not exist. That is where math starts - and completely independent from humans/aliens and their definitions. That is what we call math - logic of existense/non-existense. That is why it is universal and is the same for humans, aliens, or no one. Pithagorean theorem is valid with or without humans.

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