It is just as unlikely to suggest the universe was never Created, as it is to suggest it was Created. The Weak Anthropic and Strong Anthropic principles are seriously discussed by mailine physicists. The book, 'Symbiotic Universe', presents a solid stream of evidence that the universe is as accidental as a car coming off an assembly line. The WA states that we could be created because the universe was already here as a place for our bodies to reside. The SA states that the Creator Force created the universe first specifically to have a place for our planned creation to go to. Black Holes are an integral part of the universe, and therefore part of the Plan, assuming there was one. I have shown that BHs recycle matter and energy, making the universe essentially immortal. If I were planning a universe, I certainly wouldn't include planned obsolescence, like an American car. Doesn't it seem odd that the universe came from nowhere, and is going to nowhere, while we sit in the bleachers watching it go by? Bull!!!