Acutally Bruce I have not seen many discussions
on black holes at all(the only other website I have seen on blackholes is the Grand Challenge
on Bianary Blackholes) A freind of mine suggested
that I think about gravity and how fast a gravitational field would travel. I am not really
all that interested in perspective of a observer
because I feel no obeservation made with light
or with light as a reference can be accurate
and maybe potenially misleading. Anyway I realize
That this all a major gloss over but I am late
for darts. If you get a chance please check my
posting in the blackholes II forum and tell me
what you think of the question posed there. A little more about me my background is mainly in chemistry (physics and calculus has always seemed
a little dry) Thanks for reading this posting
and hope that I have not offended you tonight
or in the past

Later Edward