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 Be the first pioneers to continue the Astronomy Discussions at our new Astronomy meeting place...The Space and Astronomy Agora RE: Reply To Bladesinger's Post Forum List | Follow Ups | Post Message | Back to Thread Topics | In Response ToPosted by Michael Wright on November 1, 2000 17:55:53 UTC

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"First things first…if gravitons are NOT affected by gravity…then they would generally be stationary about their positions won’t they?" - MrOKL

Gravitons are not affected by gravity because they _carry_ gravity. Gravitons are the intermediary particle FOR the gravitational force. They aren't stationary, because they are continually and infinitely being exchanged, which causes the gravitational field (just like photons for the EMF).
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Before I go further, perhaps I should clarify what an intermediary particle is -

"In modern physics, the interactions between articles are often described in terms of the exchange of field particles or quanta. In the case of the familiar electromagnetic interaction, the field particles are photons. In the language of modern physics, it can be said that the electromagnetic force is _mediated_ by photons, which are the quanta of the electromagnetic field. Likewise, the strong force is mediated by field particles called gluons, the weak force is mediated by W and Z bosons, and the gravitational force is mediated by quanta of the gravitational field called gravitons." - From a physics textbook of mine.
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"Secondly, if gravitons are NOT affected by gravity, they would probably be moving around like mad gases…reacting with the matter falling into the hole and become contain EMF and again behave some what like a photon. If a graviton was to move about freely and as a particle fall into the hole…the graviton will then drag the particle downwards…since the graviton now isn’t totally a graviton and therefore goes down the black hole." - MrOKL

Again, gravitons are not affected by gravity because they carry the force. They do not move around like mad gases because they are never "free" to roam wherever they want. Gravitons, being an intermediary particle, are exchanged between two masses. Gravitons wouldn't fall into a black hole, although they could be exchanged between the a black hole and another mass. The graviton can't drag a particle, because it only represents the force, it carries it. It isn't affected by it and it can't have a physical effect on a mass.
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"If gravitons in the first place ARE affected by the EMF…then they would become very reactive and drag the electrons/protons/neutrons/larger matter with them down the hole. If the photons were to get sucked down from one side of the black hole, it would not affect the gravitons on the other side of the hole would they? Since the gravity it pulling it downwards. A photon with EMF does affect the graviton, since the photon goes down the hole, it WILL affect the graviton and give it some sort of EMF and together the graviton goes down the black hole." - Mr OKL

Photons are affected by graviational fields. This is a know fact. They are not very reactive. Furthermore, photons are only noticeably affected by LARGE gravitational fields. Therefore, it would follow that if (and that's a big IF) gravitons are affected by EMF's, it would probably have to be a very large one.

I don't understand what the last few sentences are getting at. Could you clarify them please?