: Believer: I believe there is a god which created us. : Non: What created that god? : Beleiver: ????

: !!!

It is a useless argument, but by thought and discussion I found my way to realization of reality, and if I am wrong, show me. So for me argument did have an at least partial influence in my non-belief.

When unknowns a credited to a fairy tale, they lose thier meaning, so I prefer to base all my thoughts and decisions on as much reality as I can find. If the the human race can make it past the primitive stage it is truely trying to escape, then we will have accepted our real place, origins, and bright future of possibilities. Today we are still a very inteligent but primitive animal, look at all the assumptions we use in our daily lives. I wish I were more, I wish God was real, but it is not, can we face it? If god does not exist, then guess what, WE created the concept of evil, and the act as well.

But cheer up sport, lifes actually pretty good compaired to a couple few generations ago when I would have been tortured and killed for even discussing such notions. I am greatly apprtiative that I live where and when I do. Billy :)